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I was secretary for my Royal Arch Chapter for many years. A Brother/Companion getting elderly and ill is the biggest reason we have for suspensions for NPD. Families simply do not consider the good standing as important and ignore notices. There is no choice but to drop the membership after two...

If you were in Arkansas, the GM would expel you.

I should. We all should. I believe the Bible is the inspired word of God. Which means the so-called books that were left out are not part of the Bible. If God intended them to be, they would be part of the Bible. Good history and interesting maybe but not part of the Bible. I don't try to read...

Thanks, Bro Doug. It is not hard to act like a local when I am one. My Lodge in Missouri is only 25 miles from my old one in Arkansas. I don't work at it, I just try to be a Brother.

I belong to Twin Lakes Shrine Club, of Mountain Home, Arkansas, which is under the joint jurisdiction of Sahara Center in Pine Bluff and Scimitar Center in Little Rock. For reasons long forgotten, we report to and are subject to Sahara. My Temple/Center is Scimitar but I had to join Sahara as an...

It is all still confusing. My lodge is in Missouri, I live in Arkansas. Our obligation requires us to submit to the rules of the state we happen to be in at any moment. And, therein lies the root of much confusion and disagreement.

Thanks for your reply. Again, without a central authority, we don't have a way to check rumors. People say a lot of things, how does one know true from fantasy? I've been an MM for over 30 years and usually dismiss most conversation about 'right/wrong', 'this way/that way', etc. with a polite...

Bro. I mean any lodge. Because the rumors say a state that recognizes PH makes every lodge clandestine. Doesn't make sense to me either.

That is as scary as it is interesting. Since the kerfluffle started in Arkansas, many members have begun visiting surroundings states to attend lodge. Where I live we go to Missouri. Many along the west border go to Oklahoma and in the far SW corner they attend Texas lodges. I, and about a dozen...

The "look like" part is a blemish on the history of Masonry in America. It is a very confusing situation, at best. Ugly at worst. Many lodges do blackball a candidate based on one negative vote only. Others, as I am told second hand, have other rules. Therefore, a single person to black ball a...

It is hard to understand why you assign blame to the Shrine. Shrine cannot become "irregular" as they never were an appendant body like York or Scottish rites. They are "pushing" nothing. To a man, Shriners want to continue being MMs and communicate with them as Brothers. The situation in...

The Shrine, full name: Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine. But now known as Shrine International. Was originally established in 1870 as a fun organization requiring members to be Masons who had reached the 32nd degree in Scottish Rite or Knight Templar in York Rite. For...

I believe that may be debateable. But, in Arkansas, Shrine no longer requires one to be an MM for membership. But the GM is still expelling MMs who participate in Shrine activities. As I said before, the situation is "sad".

IMHO, that is a perfect definition. But, it still leaves the question hanging as to how an organization that is not a lodge can be declared "clandestine" by a GM. :RpS_confused:

I can only reply with my opinion. And that would be to possibly prevent a situation like we have in Arkansas. Currently the GM, and several predecessors, have delcared an organization that is not a lodge "clandestine" and is expelling MMs who participate in activities of that organization. A...

Tell me about it, Bro. :RpS_rolleyes: Hint: think Arkansas.

What does "appendant/concordant" body mean? The Arkansas Shrine existed "in amity" with Grand Lodge. What does that mean?

Admittedly it is second hand info. But at the rate he/they have been expelling MMs for where they go, who they associate with, what they imbibe, etc. I believe he believes it.

Agree. But this old law in Arkansas is unlikely to change anytime soon.

As I said, I am no longer a member of the Arkansas Masonic family, I am a Missouri MM. The situation in Arkansas is the GM says whatever he says is law. To date none have challenged him/them but there are rumblings the next Grandl Lodge meeting may be historic. For whatever it is worth, last...