Swedish Rite

[SimonM]

There is some news from Sweden regarding the SweR and visitation from other appendant bodies. Starting January 1:st 2018, a brother visiting the chapter degrees (VII - X) do not have to be christian, but will only be reminded that the degrees have a christian character. With this change we no longer have any restrictions on when brothers from other rites want to visit us (apart from the usual requirements on degrees etc).

 

[Elexir]

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There is some news from Sweden regarding the SweR and visitation from other appendant bodies. Starting January 1:st 2018, a brother visiting the chapter degrees (VII - X) do not have to be christian, but will only be reminded that the degrees have a christian character. With this change we no longer have any restrictions on when brothers from other rites want to visit us (apart from the usual requirements on degrees etc).

OAL 2018? Har skummat igenom men väntar på mitt fysiska exemplar.

 

[SimonM]

OAL 2018? Har skummat igenom men väntar på mitt fysiska exemplar.

OAL 2018. De skickade ut nyhetsbrev med förklaringar kring en del förändringar.
"19 kap. om krav på kristen tro för besökande bröder.
Vid besök från erkända utländska loger i kapitelgraderna slopas kravet på kristen tro hos besökaren. Kravet ersätts dock med behovet av information till besökaren om den kristna grunden i det Svenska Systemet. Förändringen bygger på en överenskommelse mellan Stormästarna inom det Svenska Systemet och är också avsedd att underlätta besöksmöjligheterna för bröder från andra erkända loger. "

Jämför med OAL 2007 - kap 19, 10§ så ser du skillnaden.

 

[frehm]

SimonM. I think that's quite a good idea, at least from my own low-degree perspective. As long as you don't change the actual rituals.

Vilket nyhetsbrev nämner min broder? Finns det någon förklaring/genomgång av förändringarna i OAL och hur får man tag på den?

 

[Elexir]

SimonM. I think that's quite a good idea, at least from my own low-degree perspective. As long as you don't change the actual rituals.

Vilket nyhetsbrev nämner min broder? Finns det någon förklaring/genomgång av förändringarna i OAL och hur får man tag på den?

Det finns en liten .pdf som beskriver en del av skillnaderna bakom inloggning på hemsidan och det ska komma lite förklaringar i frimuraren.
Nya OAL finns även den på hemsidan efter inloggning.

 

[frehm]

Det finns en liten .pdf som beskriver en del av skillnaderna bakom inloggning på hemsidan och det ska komma lite förklaringar i frimuraren.
Nya OAL finns även den på hemsidan efter inloggning.

Tack, broder.

In general I think it sounds good that even non-christian freemasons from other jurisdictions can visit the higher degrees. As long as the ritual is still the same.

 

[LeoValMer05]

Interesting. It's the first time I have read about the Swedish Rite before this post. The question is, why does the rite insist the member to be professed Christian? Wouldn't that be too limiting? I mean, I can understand if the Rite wants to base their work with Christian theology as the other rites mostly based themselves with such, like the York rite. I don't meant to change the rite's way; I just want to understand. I come from the Scottish rite, so I am not accustom with such limitations. Also, it's literally the first time I see information about the rite, and even of it's existence.

PS: Sorry if these questions and doubts were answered before.

 

[Elexir]

Interesting. It's the first time I have read about the Swedish Rite before this post. The question is, why does the rite insist the member to be professed Christian? Wouldn't that be too limiting? I mean, I can understand if the Rite wants to base their work with Christian theology as the other rites mostly based themselves with such, like the York rite. I don't meant to change the rite's way; I just want to understand. I come from the Scottish rite, so I am not accustom with such limitations. Also, it's literally the first time I see information about the rite, and even of it's existence.

PS: Sorry if these questions and doubts were answered before.

As stated publicly from VII the degrees are of an christian nature (until this year freemasons wanting to visit VII and up had to be christian).

The Swedish rite is progressive, after the III degree we are meant to progress to the IV-V and so forth until we get the X degree.

 

[Kalip78]

As stated publicly from VII the degrees are of an christian nature (until this year freemasons wanting to visit VII and up had to be christian).

The Swedish rite is progressive, after the III degree we are meant to progress to the IV-V and so forth until we get the X degree.

Well, I'm not a Swedish Rite Mason, but I always wanted to be a member of Christian order as I am a Christian. To join KT's I had to go to othetr country as we have only Scottish Rite in Poland of which I am also a member, but I'm affraid it doesn't meet my expectations. I think it's all about what do you want your Freemasonry to be in your life.

It's worth to remeber that not So long ago countries as Sweden were almost 100% Christian, which is not the case in the USA. History matters, too.

Cheers!

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[LeoValMer05]

As stated publicly from VII the degrees are of an christian nature (until this year freemasons wanting to visit VII and up had to be christian).

The Swedish rite is progressive, after the III degree we are meant to progress to the IV-V and so forth until we get the X degree.

Well, I am fine if the rite wants to be like Christian in nature, like the York Rite. Also, I never said that it wasn't progressive. If that was understood from my previous comment, then sorry as it was not the intention. My question is: Why it used to limit itself to Christians?

Also, seeing that you're a member: What's the view on the other rites?

 

[Kalip78]

Well, I am fine if the rite wants to be like Christian in nature, like the York Rite. Also, I never said that it wasn't progressive. If that was understood from my previous comment, then sorry as it was not the intention. My question is: Why it used to limit itself to Christians?

Also, seeing that you're a member: What's the view on the other rites?

I don't know how it looks in case of American KTs, but in Europe to be a knight you have to profess Faith in 'undivided Holy Trinity' and that excludes even nontrinitarian Christians...

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[LeoValMer05]

Well, I'm not a Swedish Rite Mason, but I always wanted to be a member of Christian order as I am a Christian. To join KT's I had to go to othetr country as we have only Scottish Rite in Poland of which I am also a member, but I'm affraid it doesn't meet my expectations. I think it's all about what do you want your Freemasonry to be in your life.

It's worth to remeber that not So long ago countries as Sweden were almost 100% Christian, which is not the case in the USA. History matters, too.

Cheers!

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I always thought that Freemasons that want an order based more in their religion can form a sub-groups or bodies, like the Order of the Red Cross of Constantine, which is in fact for Trinitarian Christians.

 

[Kalip78]

There is plenty of Christian Masonic orders in Europe and their place in Masonic landscape is often different than in the USA.

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[LeoValMer05]

I don't know how it looks in case of American KTs, but in Europe to be a knight you have to profess Faith in 'undivided Holy Trinity' and that excludes even nontrinitarian Christians...

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Well, I belong to the Scottish Rite in Puerto Rico, which is a Christian-dominant country. I am not Christian though I based most of my views from such religion as I come from the Catholic church. In my lodge there are Buddhists and Jews, but most of them are Christians. However, we don't look at religion at all, and anyone from any faith can join and will not be limited by it. The York rites that are in my country follow this view though they do not brake from tradition, and admit that they are more Christian-oriented. However, in all of the lodges, you have to profess the belief in a Supreme Architect.

 

[Kalip78]

This is the case in the Craft. Beyond you're free to choose. Even in Swedish Rite Craft degrees are not Christian. You have to be a Christian to join the order simply because you won't stop on number 3.

S&F Brother!

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[Kalip78]

BTW English, Scottish and Irish Scottish Rite are Christian, too.

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[Elexir]

Well, I am fine if the rite wants to be like Christian in nature, like the York Rite. Also, I never said that it wasn't progressive. If that was understood from my previous comment, then sorry as it was not the intention. My question is: Why it used to limit itself to Christians?

Also, seeing that you're a member: What's the view on the other rites?

The degrees of the Swedish degree are conected at the core. Elements of previous degrees apear in later degrees as well as hints of later degrees to come.
Becuse of this connection it is natural that we have christian faith as a requirment from the first degree.

I have no problem with other rites and they dont have a problem with us.

 

[LeoValMer05]

This is the case in the Craft. Beyond you're free to choose. Even in Swedish Rite Craft degrees are not Christian. You have to be a Christian to join the order simply because you won't stop on number 3.

S&F Brother!

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I think I know the answer, but still I can ask, Can any member of the other two rites can visit a Swedish Rite lodge even if that member is not Christian? Which degree they are limited to visit?

 

[Elexir]

I think I know the answer, but still I can ask, Can any member of the other two rites can visit a Swedish Rite lodge even if that member is not Christian? Which degree they are limited to visit?

Starting 2018 there is no limitation.
From the VII° visitors are informed that the degrees are christian in nature but you dont have to be christian.

 

[Elexir]

Note that you still have to be in a body that we are in amity with.