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Why is the north a place of darkness?
- Thread starter pointwithinacircle2
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I love when a good Brother takes good materials and makes them better. KUDOS!I agree with the above and like your list
Working Guidelines...
I do love a good list Coach
- Laws are Causes & Effects that have been shown Not to Vary from Prediction and are based upon Past Result
Note sure about this one... Laws are not always so scientific.. but it does work for the purpose
- Rules are Agreed upon Behaviors and Consequences, at least agreed upon by the rule makers
or
Rules are Agreed upon Behaviors and perceived Consequences, at least agreed upon by the rule makers
- Ethics are Social Mores
Or
Ethics are Social Mores held, discussed, adjusted and agreed by wider society.
- Morality are Private Mores
or
Morality comprises Private Mores held by individuals and also specific groups of people sharing a common morality
- Mores are Behaviors that Honor Values
- Values are Things, Ideals, etc. thought to be Important.
- Beliefs are Things, Ideals, etc. thought to be Real.
Or
Beliefs are Things, Ideals, etc. thought to be Real, true and/or right
Warrior1256
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dfreybur
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An addition to the symbolic use of the compasses by describing the range of behavior we should engage it, there is the indirect effect when using the instrument in a profession.
Crafts or professions that use a compass include carpentry, masonry, architecture, drafting, mechanical engineering and so on. The work in these professions is exacting and systematic. Do the work correctly and the result is a product that lasts. It's why the tool was chosen for symbolic purposes. But think about the influence of the elderly Brothers at lodge have on the younger Brothers at lodge. The influence of the type of work that uses the compasses is similar for those who engage in those fields.
dfreybur
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Each generation recognizes an injustice practiced by previous generations. I have no idea what injustice I commit but I've read enough history to know the generation of my grandchildren will notice and start the work of resolving it. At which point I'll have no idea what they are doing and why. I pray that my grand children's grand children look upon me with just enough generosity that I knew not what I did.
Bloke
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from above link said:
Indeed. A good topic. I find at different times I tend to rely on different tools which is not just related to the problem but where *I* am at in life.... i sometimes wonder if the secret is knowing which tool to use. For instance, when examining a charitable need, I rarely apply the 24 inch guage or compasses (measurement) to see if I've got the time but the tools of justice (square, plumb). I need to do better on which tool I pick up, which is the secret to any tool.... you don't use hammers to put in screws...
dfreybur
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"When the only tool you have is a hammer every problem looks like a nail." I have literally pounded in screws with a rock because I was in a remote location with nothing but a rock, which rock I processed by a ceremony "Rock, I dub thee a hammer". Wrong headed approach, but there are times when a wrong headed approach is what you have.
Warrior1256
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Lol...I like this!
Not to be confused with a "Glasgow Kiss," which will also drive screws and nails into walls. Painfully.
Kade
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Are you sure that there are only 33 degrees? I will also sit on the mount of the congregation on the farthest sides of the North. You know what is more valuable than gold on this planet? Discernment...especially when surrounded by vipers.
There exist only three degree. The rest are high degreess wich has diffrences in number of degrees and the ideas from theritual creators.
Warrior1256
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According to conspiracy theorist Alex Jones he has "proof" there there are actually 180 degrees, so he says...lol.
Warrior1256
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Really? Well....I may try this.
hanzosbm
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Sorry to revive an old thread, but I just read an interesting thought that I figured could add something here.
In Manly Hall's Secret Teachings of All Ages, he discusses the idea of Elementals; beings of an etheric nature. Now, don't get me wrong, Hall was a bit of a whack job, but we're not discussing what is true, we're discussing the beliefs of those who created the ritual.
He says: "Mediæval mystics gave a corner of creation (one of the cardinal points) to each of the four kingdoms of Nature spirits, and because of their earthy character the gnomes were assigned to the North--the place recognized by the ancients as the source of darkness and death. One of the four main divisions of human disposition was also assigned to the gnomes, and because so many of them dwelt in the darkness of caves and the gloom of forests their temperament was said to be melancholy, gloomy, and despondent. By this it is not meant that they themselves are of such disposition, but rather that they have special control over elements of similar consistency."
In the Gnostic and Hermetic philosophies, the material world is seen as the antithesis of the spiritual world and in some cases, evil. If the men creating these rituals were of the same idea as Hall and the Gnostics, then they may have felt that the north offered no spiritual light.
I know, it's a bit of a reach, but...this is all about various theories anyway, right?
In Manly Hall's Secret Teachings of All Ages, he discusses the idea of Elementals; beings of an etheric nature. Now, don't get me wrong, Hall was a bit of a whack job, but we're not discussing what is true, we're discussing the beliefs of those who created the ritual.
He says: "Mediæval mystics gave a corner of creation (one of the cardinal points) to each of the four kingdoms of Nature spirits, and because of their earthy character the gnomes were assigned to the North--the place recognized by the ancients as the source of darkness and death. One of the four main divisions of human disposition was also assigned to the gnomes, and because so many of them dwelt in the darkness of caves and the gloom of forests their temperament was said to be melancholy, gloomy, and despondent. By this it is not meant that they themselves are of such disposition, but rather that they have special control over elements of similar consistency."
In the Gnostic and Hermetic philosophies, the material world is seen as the antithesis of the spiritual world and in some cases, evil. If the men creating these rituals were of the same idea as Hall and the Gnostics, then they may have felt that the north offered no spiritual light.
I know, it's a bit of a reach, but...this is all about various theories anyway, right?
Warrior1256
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It's as good a theory as any.
Joseph Campbell offered up, in his "Power of Myth" "and "Transformations of myth through time", that the North was a place of unknowns and to go there when you wanted adventure and much needed change. He cites many mythologies, such as the native Americans, that had this "North" theme within their tales.
Pointwithinacircle3
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"If one does not know to which port one is sailing no wind I'd favorable" Or to answer you more clearly, if I am unsure of what the genuine secrets are where shall I seek them?
Bloke
Premium Member
Who's to say what they are ? ... but I like Point's response..
LK600
Premium Member
Well said.