Freemasons role in religious wars

[Warrior1256]

Start by realizing that Freemasons don't take any side in politics nor do we have any global agenda regarding any national policy. But I suggest that if you have any issues with Israel that you consider that Freemasonry is strong in that country and serves as a wonderful example where Christians, Muslims, and Jews regularly come together in harmony.

Right!

I'm very sick of these anti-Semitic allusions btw. Getting old...

Agreed!

 

[Warrior1256]

What you are is the same as any other person looking into Freemasonry, who if applying and found acceptable, will become a Brother no better or worse than any other. We are equals.

Great reply!

 

[DIllon Nauta]

Good thing "huge" was not used. It might become a problem during the 3rd.

i've really wanted to join the past year and research daily sometimes for hours. desire?

 

[DIllon Nauta]

Our degrees draw from events in the Old Testament. Members of other faiths need to be secure enough in their faith to not be bothered by learning lessons from some other religion. Based on your posts you are not currently secure enough in your own faith to be able to handle that. You are not ready to join our assemblies for this reason.



Grand lodge Masonry was founded in 1717. By 1750 we no longer favored any one religion. Being open to members of every religion is one of our core teachings. You have been told this again and again but you still keep asking the same questions. Unfortunately that means you are acting like a troll so I will enter you on my ignore list. As we teach the moral and social virtues this is an additional reason why you are not ready to join our assemblies.

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[DIllon Nauta]

Our degrees draw from events in the Old Testament. Members of other faiths need to be secure enough in their faith to not be bothered by learning lessons from some other religion. Based on your posts you are not currently secure enough in your own faith to be able to handle that. You are not ready to join our assemblies for this reason.



Grand lodge Masonry was founded in 1717. By 1750 we no longer favored any one religion. Being open to members of every religion is one of our core teachings. You have been told this again and again but you still keep asking the same questions. Unfortunately that means you are acting like a troll so I will enter you on my ignore list. As we teach the moral and social virtues this is an additional reason why you are not ready to join our assemblies.

Sorry you don't like my questions. I'm trying to see the limitations of masonic ideals. Christianity was my example of a limiting ideal, sorry. i still love Jesus Christ. All ideals have a limitation.

 

[Winter]

Sorry you don't like my questions. I'm trying to see the limitations of masonic ideals. Christianity was my example of a limiting ideal, sorry. i still love Jesus Christ. All ideals have a limitation.

I'm not sure what sites you are doing your daily research on for hours but they seem to have given you a very inaccurate view of Freemasonry. Not sure what you mean by "limitations of Masonic ideals."

 

[DIllon Nauta]

I'm not sure what sites you are doing your daily research on for hours but they seem to have given you a very inaccurate view of Freemasonry. Not sure what you mean by "limitations of Masonic ideals."

dao/zen seem to commit least to beliefs. reality versus concept. truth, death, meaning, is imagination. 'nothing is closest to everything' etc of similar revelations will be fundamental throughout my recontextualization of consciousness.

I guess I’m questioning things that need to be experienced throughout my path in freemasonry. If Masonry asks me to hold/grow a position/opinion I will definitely always see opinions as they leave out more than they give. Meaning through meaninglessness

 

[DIllon Nauta]

i do need to get out of my own way. zen is christ, jihad, freemasonry, etc. (though zen and masonry not being religions). i favor eastern thought because in essence they are not beliefs but so is everything else lost in translation aside from what drove my objection that religions show partiality to other religions in its framework. in the end, i already knew that everybody is reaching for the same thing, and eastern thought likely has limitations that are not posed in masonry. not even "limitations", just different.

 

[Elexir]

We are told that Masonry is a science. If so, Masonic scientists progress through observation, hypothesis, experiment and peer review. Beliefs are not particularly useful. Most brethren, however, do not seek Masonic science but are content with uprightness, ritual and brotherhood.

What you are told in ritual depends on wich ritual is used. There is no such thing as universal ritual.

 

[Elexir]

Here is Albert Mackey in his "The Symbolism of Freemasonry"

"He must not confound the doctrine of Freemasonry with its outward and extrinsic form. He must not suppose that certain usages and ceremonies, which exist at this day, but which, even now, are subject to extensive variations in different countries, constitute the sum and substance of Freemasonry. ... But it must be always remembered that the ceremony is not the substance. It is but the outer garment which covers and perhaps adorns it, as clothing does the human figure. ... And so take from Masonry these external ceremonies, and you still have remaining its philosophy and science. These have, of course, always continued the same, while the ceremonies have varied in different ages, and still vary in different countries.

The definition of Freemasonry that it is "a science of morality, veiled in allegory, and illustrated by symbols," has been so often quoted, that, were it not for its beauty, it would become wearisome. But this definition contains the exact principle that has just been enunciated. Freemasonry is a science - a philosophy - a system of doctrines which is taught, in a manner peculiar to itself, by allegories and symbols. This is its internal character. Its ceremonies are external additions, which affect not its substance."

You will note of course that the modern expression is a " peculiar system of morality" but we are never told why a system of morality should be veiled in allegory. Surely morality is taught by example and explanation. Veiling just makes it harder.

If however Mackey is correct, then it is clear that a science of morality must be veiled. The application of NLP to the selling of vehicles is a very minor misuse of a science of morality.

Maybe thats not all there is to it. Maybe there is other traditions and wiews in other juristictions.
Again there is diffrences in how freemasonry works around the world.

 

[coachn]

i do need to get out of my own way.

If you can direct yourself toward this end and accomplish it, you have my support.