Can anybody shed some light on this group? I had a brother ask me what they are all about but I was clueless.
http://www.widowssons.com/
http://www.widowssons.com/
I don't think they are on the approved list here in Tx just the FMRC.I do know they are approved in almost all of the rest of the states as well as overseas.
i believe that statement is in-correct...the widow's sons are not recognized by grand lodge of texas, but neither is the shrine or scottish rite. Just notif that is the case, then any mason belonging to it, (and there would seem to be many) is subject to disciplinary action.
I would refer you to the Laws of the Grand Lodge of Texas, Article 505, part 22. It is a masonic disciplinary violation for a Texas mason to "Participate in, approve, or aid in the formation of any organization predicating its membership on Masonic membership or in the formation of any local chapters or groups, by whatever name called, of any organization predicating membership on Masonic membership. It shall be a Masonic offense for any Texas Mason to be, remain, or continue as, a Member of any organization predicating its membership or affiliation on Masonic membership unless such organization is now currently approved or recognized in Article 225 or Article 225a." Article 225 lists the organizations approved by the Grand Lodge of Texas, and yes, that list included the Shrine and the Scottish Rite.
I don't see how there could be room for any confusion here.
now, if the Widow's Sons allowed women or non-masons as members, they would not fall under article 505. But if you have to be a mason to join, then in Texas you answer to the laws of the Grand Lodge of Texas.
Brother,
The other misconception is that we are a "Motorcycle Club" which we are not, we are a riding club.
Unlike the FMRC, which is recognized, we DO NOT belong to the Confederation of Clubs, or COC, which is operated by the Bandidos, BoozeFighters and other Motorcycle Clubs of local and National origin. We do not seek their recognition, or approval.
Brother,
You are correct, "IF" the Widows Sons of Texas predicated it's membership on being a Mason we WOULD be in violation. It is nowhere in our By-Laws that it is said that you have to be a Mason to join or be a member of the Widows Sons of Texas. We are set up just like the Lodge, with a Grand Chapter and subordinate Chapters, and each are autonomous to operate as they wish. The other misconception is that we are a "Motorcycle Club" which we are not, we are a riding club. Unlike the FMRC, which is recognized, we DO NOT belong to the Confederation of Clubs, or COC, which is operated by the Bandidos, BoozeFighters and other Motorcycle Clubs of local and National origin. We do not seek their recognition, or approval. We are just a group of men who share a common bond and wish to ride and fellowship together.
If you have any other questions, feel free to contact me privately.
Roger Moore
President
Widows Sons of Texas
Grand Chapter
True but it does give the impression of a M/C with the 3pc cut.
Yes the FMRC is a member of the CoC but that has NOTHING to do with GLoTX recognition. As you know FMRC was granted recognition at the same GL communication that the WS was considered, approved and later denied. No need to go into the details here.
For those that dont know the 'biker world' is a very different world than many are used to. Its really a matter of respect and recognition. The Confederation of Clubs is a way to eliminate a lot of the issues that have come up in many parts of the country between the Dominate Clubs and minor clubs. The CoC is not just made up of M/C but Riding Clubs and independents as well. Being a part of the CoC does not make you a part of any 1% club or M/C. CLICK HERE if you wish to learn more about the difference between a M/C and R/C and HERE for CoC information!
Your comments seem to be implying that FMRC is a M/C or part of 1% world. I know that was not your intention but those that dont know otherwise may assume that's what you meant.
Brother,
I received your PM but cannot respond due to not having posted enough times. Please send me an email address so that I can respond, I have some good information for you that I think will ease your mind.
Fraternally,
Roger