Traveling Certificate

[dfreybur]

This looks a lot like a granted demit. Is this the same thing?

It's closer to a certificate of good standing so more like the opposite of a demit form.

 

[Warrior1256]

Never!

I asked asked for one, when I was going to be visting some lodges last year. I was told I should already have all that I need, in my head and in my wallet. I was also told that some of the brothers at the lodges I intended to visit would not even know what it was (and they might be more suspicious).

I do know the tilers oath. I wonder how many new MMs ever learn it?

In Kentucky we have to learn it.

 

[Akiles]

Never!

I asked asked for one, when I was going to be visting some lodges last year. I was told I should already have all that I need, in my head and in my wallet. I was also told that some of the brothers at the lodges I intended to visit would not even know what it was (and they might be more suspicious).

I do know the tilers oath. I wonder how many new MMs ever learn it?

Dear Brother,

That's ok for a freemason visiting another GL in your country or in a country where the brethren speak English.... But, what if you go to a lodge in where nobody knows the examination in English????.

And vice versa, for example, I am in a Lodge where everybody speack Spanish and I have to learn everything in Spanish, including the answers for the MM examination..... But, not in English..... So, then, I Will "never" visit any English spoken lodge, won't I????.... Because despite the fact I'm able to speak English, and I understand when somebody tell something in English, I'm not sure I would be able to pass the examination in English.....sad.....

 

[Bill Lins]

I Will "never" visit any English spoken lodge, won't I????.... Because despite the fact I'm able to speak English, and I understand when somebody tell something in English, I'm not sure I would be able to pass the examination in English.....sad.....

You should have no problem visiting any GLoTX Lodge in South Texas- just about all of them have multiple bi-lingual Brethren.

 

[Akiles]

Ok, thank you for the info!


Saludos.

 

[Glen Cook]

Dear Brother,

That's ok for a freemason visiting another GL in your country or in a country where the brethren speak English.... But, what if you go to a lodge in where nobody knows the examination in English????.

And vice versa, for example, I am in a Lodge where everybody speack Spanish and I have to learn everything in Spanish, including the answers for the MM examination..... But, not in English..... So, then, I Will "never" visit any English spoken lodge, won't I????.... Because despite the fact I'm able to speak English, and I understand when somebody tell something in English, I'm not sure I would be able to pass the examination in English.....sad.....

We've had "other than English speaking" Masons attend in Utah. Never a problem.

 

[dfreybur]

Dear Brother,

That's ok for a freemason visiting another GL in your country or in a country where the brethren speak English.... But, what if you go to a lodge in where nobody knows the examination in English????.

And vice versa, for example, I am in a Lodge where everybody speack Spanish and I have to learn everything in Spanish, including the answers for the MM examination..... But, not in English..... So, then, I Will "never" visit any English spoken lodge, won't I????.... Because despite the fact I'm able to speak English, and I understand when somebody tell something in English, I'm not sure I would be able to pass the examination in English.....sad.....

I have been at a Stated meeting with a brother who spoke French and Dutch but not English. He didn't need words to satisfy the investigating committee. Once in the meeting, fellowship starts with the hand shake of brotherly love and proceeds from there independent of language. He might have been bored for lack of understanding but it was clear he knew openings and closings of at least once jurisdiction and he was very relaxed enjoying our company.

 

[Akiles]

Thank you all for your words!, I would like visit other Lodges in other Countries in my life, and probably, one day, I'll travel to some country where people speack other lenguagues differents than Spanish....in fact, I did it in the past...


Saludos.

 

[Chukwunonso]

Hmmm, that's a good one. Never heard of traveling cert. I'll ask our lodge sec. I think I'll be needing one soon.

 

[Bloke]

Hmmm, that's a good one. Never heard of traveling cert. I'll ask our lodge sec. I think I'll be needing one soon.

And I would mention to your Sec where you were thinking of using it.

 

[dfreybur]

Hmmm, that's a good one. Never heard of traveling cert. I'll ask our lodge sec. I think I'll be needing one soon.

Given that you just posted about Dubai, where our order is illegal, I don't think you will need any of our documents. We teach cheerful obedience to just governments.

 

[Chukwunonso]

Ok. Though concerning the cert, my intent is not Dubai. My going to Dubai is still months away. Thanks for your input brother.

 

[Chukwunonso]

And I would mention to your Sec where you were thinking of using it.

Hahaha, not Dubai brother. Not Dubai. My asking for a brother in Dubai is to help put me aright with some information I need before going, so I'll not make any unnecessary mistake. I

 

[Keith C]

Tiler's Oath now mandatory. The form of which you speak is in the law book forms section. Looks very nice. I'd love to have one to hang on the wall in the study. But no, I don't think it's going to get you past any tiler and SD worth their salt.

I firmly believe we should all pay more attention to the training of new tilers and SDs than we do. They must guard the West Gate.

Very interesting.

There is no such thing as a "Tiler's Oath" in PA, as it is not part of the rituals of "The Ancients." I assume your GL and the GLof PA are in Amity, so how would you deal with a Brother from PA who has never even heard of a thing called a "Tiler's Oath?"

 

[Warrior1256]

I assume your GL and the GLof PA are in Amity, so how would you deal with a Brother from PA who has never even heard of a thing called a "Tiler's Oath?"

In my jurisdiction we would probably be like..."Oh, O.K." and ask other questions....assuming that you had a valid dues card of course.

 

[Keith C]

In my jurisdiction we would probably be like..."Oh, O.K." and ask other questions....assuming that you had a valid dues card of course.

I agree that would be the right thing to do.

I was questioning jwhoff, as he stated that the Tiler's oath was "mandatory." To me "mandatory" implies that if you don't know this, you hit the road. I was wondering if it was truly "mandatory" and if so what jurisdiction this is in, to avoid embarrassment if I ever happen to be there.

 

[Warrior1256]

To me "mandatory" implies that if you don't know this, you hit the road. I was wondering if it was truly "mandatory" and if so what jurisdiction this is in, to avoid embarrassment if I ever happen to be there.

In my jurisdiction it is very probable that you will be asked to recite the tyler's oath upon examination. However, we would make an exception for a Brother from outside our jurisdiction such as yourself where the oath does not even exist.

 

[Thomas Stright]

The Tiler's Oath is part of the proficiency test for a MM, I am pretty sure. It is in Salado Lodge #296.

Tiler's Oath now mandatory.

Tiler's Oath was not part of the proficiency exam that I took here in TX in 2016.

 

[dfreybur]

To me "mandatory" implies that if you don't know this, you hit the road. I was wondering if it was truly "mandatory" and if so what jurisdiction this is in, to avoid embarrassment if I ever happen to be there.

To me mandatory means if you won't swear this, you hit the road.

You will pronounce your name and repeat after me. Then the words of it giving you time to understand and repeat.

 

[Keith C]

To me mandatory means if you won't swear this, you hit the road.

You will pronounce your name and repeat after me. Then the words of it giving you time to understand and repeat.

THAT I get and that is what we do, though we do not call it a "Tiler's Oath" it is referred to as "The Oath of Examination" and no one is expected to memorize it. We have a committee of 3, appointed as needed to examine a visitor and the Chair of that committee asks the pertinent questions, confirms the grip the 5POF and the word then administers the obligation.