Bloke
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It always amazes me that someone can use google to find us, then sign up to a forum and post asking for contact information we then find in google.
Thanks Bro JC
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Kuala Lumpur Brothers
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Thanks Bro JC
Brother JC
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I’m a big fan of lmgtfy, but wasn’t feeling horribly snarky today.
You see this always surprises me, people can find Masonic resources from across the World but not in their own country, it always makes me feel the need to be cautious.
dfreybur
Premium Member
A lot of what I find on line is bogus. We act as a bogosity filter. I'm okay with that.
I particularly like how earlier in this thread I didn't look up geography so I posted irrelevant statements. The irony of it it has bits of rust dropped off me like dandruff.
Adam Salahudin
Registered User
Hye, im sorry for asking..how can i register mason? Im from malaysia. Im want be a member.
Bloke
Premium Member
Seek out Freemasons in Malaysia
Chima Mezieobi
Registered User
Chima Mezieobi
Registered User
I applied for membership but I haven't recieved any notification or contact, I live here in Kl
Chima Mezieobi
Registered User
Can I have phone number to contact here in kuala lumpur
On the first page of this thread is listed the contact information for the grand lodge in Kuala Lumpur.
Here is a link to their web site: https://dglea.com/
Here is a link to their web site: https://dglea.com/
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If, as you claim, you have applied for membership you have already met at least two Freemasons where you are as you need that many to sign your application before it can be presented to the Lodge.
I am sorry to say that I do not believe that you are being honest with the Freemasons on this site, probably as you can see that none of them are actually based in your country.
Looking at the Grand Lodge of Kuala Lumpur’s web site, I could see that he might be confused as to what is required to petition for the degrees. There is a link with the label “Become a Member” that collects contact information. He may have thought that was all that was required.
Bloke
Premium Member
That's actually sort of true and not true here in Victoria Bro Mike
To sign a Petition as a Proposer or Seconder, you must have known the applicant for not less than 12 months. HOWEVER,. there is a Rule which allows a dispensation for the period of time known, but it triggers extra investigations before you can be balloted for as an applicant for Freemasonry. I have Proposed a lot of men by Dispensation when Lodge Sec or WM. They are the ones expected to do it.
I would think there is something similar under UGLE...
Sorry just so I'm clear, are you saying that Victoria has a special dispensation that means you can Propose or Second somebody you've never met? We definitely don't have one of those.
Bloke
Premium Member
In Victoria, you can Propose and Second someone you have not known for 12 months, and in Rule, someone you had not even met.. but someone, and more than just one someone, must have more than just met them.......
Rule 217 say that you must have known a man for 12 months or more to Propose or Second him to become a Freemason - and there is a form to that effect Proposer and Seconders must sign Rule 243 allow a Dispensation of Rule 217 from the Grand Master. In theory, you could propose someone you had not met. HOWEVER, to be put to a ballot, a man must be interviewed and the if Rule 243 is being used, it triggers police checks and (and extra) written report and the applicant signing a Code of Conduct. The usual inquiries for an applicant with Proposer and Seconder under Rule 217 must still be made, and they included four written references (they don't need to be Freemasons, but must have known the applicant for not less than 12 months) and notice to other lodges of the Proposition which includes a WM informing members if the applicant is unfit, it is his masonic duty to write to our Grand Sec. The usual procedure is the WM and Sec propose an applicant not known for 12 months using Rule 243, and it is possible they might not have met him.. but also in practice, the man would have been at a formal interview where the Sec or WM would likely be present. It is also an expectation that he attends the South (aka Festive Board, aka dinner after the ceremonial meeting) and attend any social events the lodge holds. In practice, most applicants who come under Rule 243 have been through two separate interviews and interacted with attending lodge members. In many ways, they have been through more hoops than someone who has been known to both Proposer and Seconder for 12 months or more.
Either way, at it's shortest (and again, requiring a Dispensation under another Rule 242 from the MWGM) time an applicant can get into a lodge, even if both son and grandson of financial members, is 3 months, the usual 4 months, and most applicants will be on a 4 to 6 month journey after applying to a specific Lodge (they meet monthly and 11 times a year is the usual) before becoming a Freemason, and it is not unusual to be slightly longer, and someones, much longer. We've been reading out current applicant for 5 months and we're still not comfortable to ballot him (and not able to do so constitionally) and he is the WM's mate.
I would suspect UGLE would have a mechanism to deal with men not known to Freemasons when they first inquire. Many GLs do.
We do but nothing like that, we have a system called "Discover Freemasonry" receptions where we meet those who have made "unsponsored" contact with the UGLE. At the event they meet members of the Metropolitan or Provincial teams who will tell them about Freemasonry followed by chatting with them including answering their questions and if they look like a good Candidate they get referred to the next stage where they are introduced to a Lodge which will find two volunteers to get to know them before Proposing and Seconding them at some point in future. We hold them every few months in London, Provinces don't have the same "traffic" as us though. Some do not get through this first filter and some find that Freemasonry isn't actually what they were actually looking for but many do go onto be Initiated.
Bloke
Premium Member
Thanks Bro Mike
How long before they meet them and they can then Proposed by those men and then be balloted ?
Our Grand Lodge closes about 75% of inquiry to become a Freemason- with 25% still active in the system, with a closure rate which depends on a number of factors but the initiation rate varies from about 10% to 15% of those who inquire. It's varied by which inquiry system was used. I am only familiar with the detail over about the last 8 years..
Usual process is
- Phone interview (interviews, not less than 1, done by paid staff)
- Written info sent about Freemasonry sent to them (can be sent before or after phone interview)
- A faultless application, signed code f conduct, with a police check
- They speak to volunteers at District, some interview, some just focus on connecting with the lodge. The connection should be their focus, but keeping an eye out lest the man be unfit
- A number or single lodge is identified for them to visit.
- They visit and are allocated to that lodge, sometimes they are allocated then visits (esp in regional areas where there is only 1 lodge.
- They are read, interviewed and a (simple) written report prepared and submitted to GL. (It is not unusual for the interview to be done in the applicants home, but not compulsory as to location of form)
- Four refs are collected, notice sent to other lodges (can happen before step 7, and if there is some doubt, it can happen as 3a before they get near volunteers)
- During step to 8 they attend Lodge dinners and any social events
- Green light given by GL
- Ballot
- Initiate, usually at a subsequent meeting to the ballot.
The shortest time possible for the above is three months, the usual shortest being 4 months from first reading, the average 6 to 9 months, but at the lodge discretion and it is encouraged to pause over applicants for any reason, which will see 6 to 12 months elapse between step 6 and 12, but sometimes, even longer.).