You're repeatedly comparing interborder travel to local travel. That's not minutiae.
You're repeatedly comparing interborder travel to local travel. That's not minutiae.
I lived in that area and knew many people who made recent changes without a single permit.
Bottom line is, if you live in Arizona and look brown, speak Spanish or have an accent, you will be harassed by the authority.
Is your statement based on law or race? If law, where does 1070 state "if you live in Arizona and look brown, speak Spanish or have an accent, you will be harassed by the authority"...
....it doesn't....
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf
Let's get back to the topic shall we? I'm not interested in you digging yourself into a hole, or helping you dig your hole.
Your case is minutiae in pertinence of this thread. Which is titled: Illegal immigrants plan to leave over Ariz. Law.
The law, which is the same as the United States federal law regarding immigration.
Please put me on your ignore list!
Thank you.
Is your statement based on law or race? If law, where does 1070 state "if you live in Arizona and look brown, speak Spanish or have an accent, you will be harassed by the authority"...
....it doesn't....
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf
Is your statement based on law or race? If law, where does 1070 state "if you live in Arizona and look brown, speak Spanish or have an accent, you will be harassed by the authority"...
....it doesn't....
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf
Blake - was is reasonable suspicion for being undocumented to you? We've already seen many of the brothers here support racial profiling in other threads. Senator McCain of Arizona has said undocumented immigrants go around causing traffic accidents on purpose. So that's one suspicious act (although bizarre and not based on fact). Rep. Brian Bilbray said you can tell by the clothes is someone is undocumented.
Here's the history of racial profiling in Arizona:
http://acluaz.org/DrivingWhileBlackorBrown.pdf
Blacks Hispanics and others were 2 and a half times more likely to get searched once pulled over, while not more likely to have contraband (in other words, the unjustified searches actually were unjustified). It would be nice to believe that the training they were *forced* to put into place and the policies they were *forced* to put into place against racial profiling are 100% followed and effective, and after only a few years the culture has 100% changed regarding racial profiling in Arizona. But then it would be nice if the anti-discrimination laws of the 1960s didn't need re-enforced at times too.
And let's be clear - Arizona didn't "require" Brown people who spoke Spanish get searched more under prior laws - it just happened. And now there's ann immigration specific law requiring more action from police.
So far one person has said if the person doesn't speak *any* English and/or if they run away (which Americans do too). Is that the only thing folks here see as "reasonable suspicion" for immigration status? If one of you are standing next to a brown guy with a thick accent, you expect just as much scrutiny as him - and expect to be hauled off until your family can bring enough documentation?
I find it absolutely hysterical that Arizona implemented this law while legislating against compliance with the Real ID law that should have resolved the same issue with no more than a verified drivers license, perhaps they are bipolar?
Drape, I stopped reading your post because it had nothing to do with my initial question.
Again, where does 1070 state "if you live in Arizona and look brown, speak Spanish or have an accent, you will be harassed by the authority?"
Awesome. You didn't read it, but you know it was entirely unrelated.. Share some of that magic.
Acting on "Reasonable suspicion" for someone being undocumented. When you're talking to someone, how do you suspect they are undocumented in normal conversation?
My humble opinon;respectfully to everyone who has posted on this topic:
our ancestors paid no attention to what was right when they invaded and occupied this land, nor to the laws that existed here thousands of years before their arrival. some compassionate thinking might be in order here.
however, to address the *present* issue of immigration...
1) end all welfare programs OR
2) hold congress accountable (and i dont mean form a tea party) OR
3) open the borders completely OR
4) force the mexican govt to police itself or improve conditions OR
5) reform the naturalization process OR
6) offer citizenship and issue social security numbers to all the immigrants here already
7) then tax the ever loving snot out of them
welcome them, put them to work, then use their taxes to improve our country. lets not be xenophobes...
respectfully to everyone who has posted on this topic:
our ancestors paid no attention to what was right when they invaded and occupied this land, nor to the laws that existed here thousands of years before their arrival. some compassionate thinking might be in order here.
however, to address the *present* issue of immigration...
1) end all welfare programs OR
2) hold congress accountable (and i dont mean form a tea party) OR
3) open the borders completely OR
4) force the mexican govt to police itself or improve conditions OR
5) reform the naturalization process OR
6) offer citizenship and issue social security numbers to all the immigrants here already
7) then tax the ever loving snot out of them
"if you live in Arizona and look brown, speak Spanish or have an accent"...
Some law enforcment in AZ calls this "resonable suspicion"
Some law enforcment in AZ calls this "resonable suspicion"
The law, signed by Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer on April 23, allows police to ask anyone for proof of legal U.S. residency.