Diversity in the Nomination of Awards

[AndreAshlar]

rather than being biased against blacks, they just decided that in the past 2 years, the performances of those who were nominated were superior to those who were not.

87 years.
66 nominations. That's a 0.76 nominations per year average. Pathetic... wait it gets better.
During that same 87 year time frame, there have been 14 African American winners... that an average of less than one every 6 years.
Looks like the past 2 years aren't an anomaly. Either all of the on screen performances of African Americans suck or the selection process isn't equitable. The impartial observer has no other choice than to select the latter.

 

[AndreAshlar]

You'd have to survey them over time, 1980 or 1990 would be a good starting point, then look at potential winners who were not nominated.

Great point. Of the 14 African American winners, 12 have won in the last 33 years. That's progress... an average of one winner every 3 years. There are currently 24 categories. 72 winners every 3 years.

Your second point is great as well. Potential winners who were not nominated transcends the construct of race. That disappoint is felt by actors and actresses of all backgrounds.

 

[AndreAshlar]

 

[SeeKer.mm]

Hey Denzel did win one Good video Andre, I am surprised anyone not white won an Oscar before the 70s with all the racial injustice that went ton in those days.

 

[Bloke]

Sidney Poitier...


He got on for Lilies of the Field(1964). He should have got one for Guess Who's Coming to Dinner ( the recent redux was terrible)


"In 1999, the American Film Institute named Poitier among the Greatest Male Stars of classic Hollywood cinema, ranking 22nd on the list of 25."


Well deserved....


On other matters, wikipedia claims "Whites constitute the majority of the U.S. population, with a total of about 245,532,000 or 77.7% of the population as of 2013"


That's from here


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States

Call it 75% or 1 in 4, assuming "non whites" are correspondingly represented in the acting profession and written for and cast in the same ratios in decent movies, one might expect one nonwhite winner one in every 4 years..... but life is as rarely tidy as maths

 

[Randy81]

I recently moved to the southeast... If you want to see racism, come

Hey Denzel did win one Good video Andre, I am surprised anyone not white won an Oscar before the 70s with all the racial injustice that went ton in those days.

Hey wait, as I said I've never watched the program. I was going off of what they said when I said Denzel hadn't won! Lol.

 

[Bill Lins]

You're an upright man who seeks freedom, justice and equality for ALL people. ALL the time... as I am. Riddle me this: do you think that's a reality or an ideal that we still must achieve?

Obviously, it is an ideal we still must achieve, and that day will not come until we quit claiming racism based on things as trivial as the Academy Awards on evidence as flimsy as what a certain group has done over the past 2 years as opposed to what they have done in the years immediately preceding. The answer to the original poster's question is that we have much more important issues to resolve than who has and has not been nominated for awards that don't affect any of us outside the entertainment industry.

After providing that answer my brother, please define what it means to have "an ax to grind".

That's too obvious to waste time answering.

 

[Bill Lins]

Your point has been conveniently addressed. You mention that I claim that the Academy is racist simply because they've not nominated any blacks in the past 2 years. You misquote me.

I think not- here's what you posted: "2 years in a row, there hasn't been a single non white actor or actress nominated for an Oscar. Have only whites been worthy of nominations?"

 

[AndreAshlar]

I think not- here's what you posted: "2 years in a row, there hasn't been a single non white actor or actress nominated for an Oscar. Have only whites been worthy of nominations?"

I posed a legitimate question, no?

 

[Bill Lins]

No- you changed your argument when your original one was proven wanting.

 

[AndreAshlar]

That's too obvious to waste time answering.

Actually what's obvious to me is that we've both axes to grind. Just different axes. Mine is geared towards addressing inequality. Not so with you. Yours is geared towards people who voice displeasure with inequality. See the difference?

 

[AndreAshlar]

Obviously, it is an ideal we still must achieve, and that day will not come until we quit claiming racism...

I've a revolutionary thought. What if we stopped DENYING obvious racism?

 

[AndreAshlar]

No- you changed your argument when your original one was proven wanting.

Nice try. My original statement was quote, "Maybe I missed something. My understanding is there's disappointment because equal consideration to non-whites isn't given for the awards. And it's based on race. If actors/actresses from diverse backgrounds produce outstanding work, thespians from diverse backgrounds should receive nominations." If you will, please highlight which part of that original statement was 1) false and 2)proven "wanting". I'll wait. Meanwhile, the 2 year Oscar snub just served as support to my original statement that you unsuccessfully attempt to twist. I then, as you requested, provided a broader historical view of the obvious.

 

[Bill Lins]

Your original post posited that the lack of nominations over the past two years was solely due to racism. When shown that, by the actions of the same group of voters over the immediately preceding years, your theory didn't hold water, you tried to base it on the actions of the Academy over its entire history, which could only be true if those voters had discovered & partaken of the Fountain of Youth. No sale. Quite frankly, I'm bored with this nonsense and will no longer respond to trolling, as my point has been proven.

 

[AndreAshlar]

Your original post posited that the lack of nominations over the past two years was solely due to racism. When shown that, by the actions of the same group of voters over the immediately preceding years, your theory didn't hold water, you tried to base it on the actions of the Academy over its entire history, which could only be true if those voters had discovered & partaken of the Fountain of Youth. No sale. Quite frankly, I'm bored with this nonsense and will no longer respond to trolling, as my point has been proven.

See below

 

[AndreAshlar]

You respond, unsolicited to me. When I address every single, weak comment you make and prevent you from hijacking my stance on inequality, you accuse me of trolling. That's laughable. Intelligent, fact based discourse doesn't work like that. You must do better. I hope you keep your promise of not responding. It should be clear that your tactics don't phase me.

 

[SeeKer.mm]

Thank you my Brothers for a vibrant discussion and your strong and valid opinions on the matter. It seems to have gotten to the point where we should circumscribe our passions, keep within due bounds and agree to disagree. Thanks again everyone!

 

[Blake Bowden]

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