Warrior1256
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Very true!It appears you have joined a "clandestine" co-ed lodge. By definition to regular freemasons, it can be described no other way.
Very true!It appears you have joined a "clandestine" co-ed lodge. By definition to regular freemasons, it can be described no other way.
Your reasons for leaving are unclear. It appears you have joined a "clandestine" co-ed lodge. By definition to regular freemasons, it can be described no other way. Please elaborate on why you left so that we can better understand your reasoning.
Respectfully, why should Bro Ellis have to explain himself ? He is a PM of UGLE and although he has left and joined Co-Masonry, he owes us no explanation - I sense there will be no profit nor pleasure in getting into his reasons. He also has PM of "England" which should be a clear hint.
I would point out we are not in lodge with him and on an open public forum.
Over the years, I've learned a lot from such men and women...
Your reasons for leaving are unclear. It appears you have joined a "clandestine" co-ed lodge. By definition to regular freemasons, it can be described no other way. Please elaborate on why you left so that we can better understand your reasoning.
At the end of the day said:This is really a good reply. I did examine and surely did not take the decision lightly.
Your reasons for leaving are unclear. It appears you have joined a "clandestine" co-ed lodge. By definition to regular freemasons, it can be described no other way. Please elaborate on why you left so that we can better understand your reasoning.
Most GLs disagree and consider this GL and coMasonry in general clandestine.The word is "irregular" not "clandestine". CoMasonry traces its lineage to the meeting in 17171 and is thus not clandestine. CoMasonry started accepting women and as such exited regularity (among other differences in principle at the time).
The word is "irregular" not "clandestine". CoMasonry traces its lineage to the meeting in 17171 and is thus not clandestine. CoMasonry started accepting women and as such exited regularity (among other differences in principle at the time).
I think the issue is whether we use the term "irregular" or "clandestine".I have only been an MM for 19 months so maybe I am wrong but I would thing that all 51 regular GLs in the United States would view any co-masonic lodge irregular.
Clandestine=not having valid lineage vs irregular=not following ancient landmarks eg allowing women, athiests ect ectI think the issue is whether we use the term "irregular" or "clandestine".
I don't object to those definitions, but they are not universally accepted or consistently used. For some GLs, if they are not recognized, they are clandestine per se.Clandestine=not having valid lineage vs irregular=not following ancient landmarks eg allowing women, athiests ect ect
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Would you please explain the difference to me brother? This is one of the things that I have not learned yet.I think the issue is whether we use the term "irregular" or "clandestine".
Would you please explain the difference to me brother?
Which I don't understand because they have valid lineage.I don't object to those definitions, but they are not universally accepted or consistently used. For some GLs, if they are not recognized, they are clandestine per se.
While useful, Br Doug's definitions aren't universally accepted. Many of us simply use not regular or unrecognized and avoid the C word except for the clearly bogus, self founded groups. My rule? If it has the name King in it, the GL is bogus, clandestine, and their mothers wear Army bootsWhich I don't understand because they have valid lineage.
Exactly, so PHA is regular just not recognized by some GLSWhile useful, Br Doug's definitions aren't universally accepted. Many of us simply use not regular or unrecognized and avoid the C word except for the clearly bogus, self founded groups. My rule? If it has the name King in it, the GL is bogus, clandestine, and their mothers wear Army boots
... and their mothers wear Army boots
CGMNA long ago made this determination, as did UGLE. However, some GL's will consider it clandestine, simply because they are not in amity.Exactly, so PHA is regular just not recognized by some GLS