Depending on weather your talking about mainstream A.F.&.A.M lodges or black 4 letter lodges if a brother claims to be a Prince Hall mason his lodge should be styled F.&.A.M. ....Anything else is considered clandestine...it is much easier to just ask what Grand Lodge are you operating under there are only 2 that are recognized per state the Grand Lodge of state and The Most Worshipful Prince Hall Grand Lodge of state you can simply check grand lodge of state mainstream or P.H.A. use the lodge locater and see if the said lodge is listedAre there Regulations on this issue? I'm a new PHA and I've heard different answers from some of the brothers.
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Texas does not have visitation between Prince Hall & Mainstream Freemasonry. This is the way the Grand Lodge of Texas AF & Am wants it.
We had this discussion on this board a couple of years ago. DDGMs from the Grand Lodge of Texas were spreading the story that Prince Hall requested a no visitation policy at the time of recognition. This just wasn't true and my Grand Master confirmed that position. As a matter of fact to clear up any ambiguity Grand Master Wilbert. M. Curtis of the MWPHGLTX sent a letter to the Grand Master of Texas stating that Prince Hall was ready at any time for open visitation as it always has been. I believe that Brother Bowden has written on this subject. Have you referenced his works?
This is a post from Brother Bowden on the subject.
I love Brother Bowden like he was my blood Brother. But the truth be told, neither Grand Lodge is going to allow anybody below Grand Master to negotiate this kind of a deal. There are no playmakers that will change this other than they change the mind of their own Grand Master. That is just Masonic protocol. You and I may not like it, but that is the way things are done.
I reiterate the fact: The Grand Master of the MWPHGLTX sent a letter to the Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Texas declaring that Prince Hall was ready for full cross visitation as it always has been. Some time after a meeting was scheduled between the two Grand Masters but Prince Hall pulled out when it was informed that the GL of Texas had changed the subject and would be giving the Prince Hall GL a dressing down at the scheduled meeting.
The best way to accomplish cross visitation is for each of us to work within our Grand Lodges to get each Grand Lodge to vote in Grand Session to move ahead on this issue and approve it. If each Grand Master will bring the issue to the floor of his Grand Lodge session and put it to a vote, then maybe we can get it done. So the best course of action is to work hard on this issue only within your own Grand Lodge.
I would be happy to write and publish an article on the subject if Brothers would give me the information necessary to present the issue publicly.
Frederic L. Milliken
"assuming that such a letter was sent out."
There is no assuming, it's a fact. A letter was sent. This is not a matter of opinion. A fact is a fact. If the Grand Lodge of Texas is not acknowledging the receipt of such a letter let me know. And I wonder what information you have to question the possibility that such a letter was not sent.
Recognition between the two Grand Lodges was done years ago, my Brother. I don't get what you are saying. At the time the compact was signed the MWPHGLTX suggested that there be mutual visitation and the Grand Lodge of Texas said no. Prince Hall has since that Compact approached the subject with the Grand Lodge of Texas. In all cases it is Prince Hall suggesting the cross visitation and the Grand Lodge of Texas saying NO.. The ball is in the court of the Grand Lodge of Texas.
Now if what you are suggesting is that the MWPHGLTX allow Brethren from the Grand Lodge of Texas to visit their Lodges while the Grand Lodge of Texas continues to say no to Prince Hall Masons visiting their Lodges, I have one thing to say - GET REAL! Don't you see it has to be a mutual agreement?
I'm really not into passing out the blame, but the record must be set straight when one side is not telling the truth.