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Well, actually we do. It's privatized morality-based arena theater focused upon conveying allegorical truths using the façade and lexicon of stonecraft lore and such, but we call it "speculative masonry" because it sounds better to us rough and tumble guys.
But that's not a "when" answer. We don't know "when" our theatre was adopted.
I understand the concept that grand lodges doesn't have to be charted or warrant. In order for a grand lodge to became a grand lodge there must first be a lodge. Now due to warrants wasn't necessary back then that's understandable. With warrants being the new age of who's regular or not now is when we have a big problem. Because it's relative new, the conversation of irregular and regular is really not valid. Why? Because the origin of the UGLE didn't carry those type of documents and didn't care for them. And I'm PHA, I'm just interested in how it started on the other side of the fence.
That's where Im coming from therefore making it invalid there isn't enough solid evidence to confirm the whereabouts.
It was the same side of the fence for PHA as well.
Oh yes I know prince hall went through mainstream. I'm fully aware of that. Now that doesn't mean I will break my obligation n discuss masonry with so-called clandestine groups of today. The whole focus point is being able to know more. Ask questions. Be a critical thinker. I mean isn't that one of our seven liberal arts and science. Thinking outside the box. To paint the picture more clearly, if Mason's can become aware of the real true meaning of a mason this topic wouldn't exist.
Our "theater" was adopted during the mystery play era. It became privatized during the GL Era.
I have to disagree with free masonry starting with the guild system. The craft dates back in ancient time. Warrants wasn't relevant in the two warring lodges which came about out of know where to now warrants are relevant. That sound very strange. Yes, I know it's up to each jurisdiction. I'm just stating if those warring lodges didn't care why UGLE cares about warrants now. So Mason's shouldn't be asking permission if it's ancient. Haha, to me it's crazy. But in any way am i going against the grain or going against what UGLE and PHA laws say. Laws are always changing in the political world so I see no wrong with Masonic law at all. I'm pretty sure I'm not the first who thought about it.
I have to agree with your disagreement. Free_Masonry has been around ever since mankind started whacking rocks masterfully.
I can say I've only been in the craft or freemasonry just a couple of months. The vast knowledge thats available it's outstanding. This topic alone have taught me a lot.
A word of advice, the romantic notions are what get you into Freemasonry, but don't buy into the BS. It'll interfere with the Masonic Work to be done.
No doubt, thanks for that. There aren't many who can keep it straightforward. You surely bypass the shortcuts.
i accept that the operatives had mysterie plays. Many guilds did. However, the were speculative Masons before the GL era. I think the privatization occurred before " GLE". That was the beginning of the monopoly era.
But that is the whole point Brother. "Speculative" masonry is an illusion. There's nothing that these non-operative masons were doing other than to pay for the rite and the rights. There was no "apprenticeship" served. These "speculative" members at best merely paid membership, obligated themselves with a rudimentary ceremony, maybe learned a few words and grips and they were members. These elaborate privatized morality plays began around the GL era.
The issue would be when this began.
And the answer is... <drum roll>
Lol, right my brother. The beginning and the end.Look to the East
